Monday, January 18, 2010

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Speech on Goldstone Report by Bob Marshall-Andrews

Mr. Robert Marshall-Andrews (Medway) (Lab): I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Battersea (Martin Linton) on obtaining this important debate. I should like to touch briefly on the important legal implications of the Goldstone report rather than its content, which has been dealt with extensively by my hon. Friend with his usual clarity and articulation. Goldstone is unique; there has never been such a meticulous and judicial analysis of atrocity within so short a time of those atrocities being committed either by a nation state or by others. I have read the report and already it has achieved the iconic status that is normally, in literary terms, reserved for "Ulysses". We always used to ask each other, "Have you actually read "Ulysses"?" The answer was a test of both one's veracity and virility.
The Minister for Europe (Chris Bryant): And one's stamina.
Mr. Marshall-Andrews: Yes, and stamina. We now ask each other who has read Goldstone. I have, and found it a harrowing and dreadful experience. Worse than the destruction of schools and hospitals and the wanton blowing up of civilian targets is the wanton destruction of 40 per cent. of the agricultural output of Gaza. I have one rhetorical question that I wanted to ask when I tried to intervene on my right hon. Friend the Member for Liverpool, Wavertree (Jane Kennedy).
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How does a country defend its people by wantonly destroying 40 per cent. of the agricultural capacity? More than anything else, it is the casual cruelty that is the most devastating. Goldstone mentions the casual shooting of children and civilians while soldiers do nothing except eat on the top of a tank. Effectively, they are doing it for fun. That reawakens images of the worst regiments of history; images with which my generation were brought up. I am talking about images of the Waffen SS doing precisely the same thing. That is what is so horrifying in the Goldstone report.
Let me briefly touch on the even-handedness of Goldstone. The Goldstone report centres on Israel and the actions of the Israeli army because 1,440 people have been injured and killed-including 400 children-by that army. It is hardly surprising that Goldstone concentrates on such matters. Israel is an immensely prosperous state that is supported by the most prosperous state on Earth and many of the most prosperous institutions. It is a state that, ever since I entered politics, I have supported and worked for its right to exist. It is a state born out of indescribable suffering, which happened in my lifetime. So, I do not take any criticism from those who might say that I am anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli-I am not and never have been-but Gaza opened the eyes of people like me, who had been quiet for far too long on the issue.
What happened in Gaza is chronicled in Goldstone. What is the effect?
Michael Connarty (Linlithgow and East Falkirk) (Lab): I welcome the debate. I come from a similar background to my hon. and learned Friend and have been going to that part of world since before I came into this place. Does it disturb him, as it disturbs me, that people use "democracy" and the existence of an internal electoral system that appoints a parliament as an excuse-a smoke-and-mirrors scheme to hide behind-to justify the actions of what anyone else would say has become a pariah state?
Mr. Marshall-Andrews: I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. Democracy, laudable though it undoubtedly is, is only one hallmark of civilisation; how one behaves in that democracy is another. The Third Reich started out as a democracy; Hamas is a democracy; democracy is not the only thing. The repetition of the phrase, "This is the only democracy in the middle east", with Israel therefore deserving some special treatment, is costing us dear in international terms and in international relations.
Briefly, on the legal consequences of Goldstone, does the report have a legal base in British jurisprudence? Yes, it does, it most certainly does-it is evidence. Ironically, one of the reasons why it is evidence is because of the extreme loosening of the evidential barriers effected by the Government in the Criminal Justice Act 2003, in the teeth of opposition from people such as myself. None the less, that is the effect: Goldstone is an evidential document in British jurisdiction, and may be used as such.
Mr. Carswell: The hon. and learned Gentleman mentions the examples of brutality cited in Goldstone, which are based on examples provided to Goldstone by non-governmental organisation evidence. The NGO evidence, as Goldstone himself stated, was based almost entirely
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on unverifiable publications from politicised NGOs, such as the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, whose analysis it is fair to say is not wholly objective. Does the hon. and learned Gentleman not accept that some of the evidence base in Goldstone is highly questionable and that the report is not the objective document that he pretends it to be?
Mr. Marshall-Andrews: That interpretation of Goldstone is highly selective, but let me answer the real question, which came at the end: do I not accept that some of the evidence in Goldstone is questionable? Of course I do. I have been a criminal barrister for a long time and have prosecuted and defended-I am happy or unhappy to say-some of the most venal, serious, dangerous, nasty and on occasion violent crimes that have been committed in this jurisdiction. Of course I know that all evidence needs to be tested. That is why the report needs to be tested in a proper arena; it needs to be tested in a British court, or in a court. Brought before such a judicial test, it may well be that some parts of the report will be found wanting. Frankly, I disagree-the report is a devastating indictment, in its form, its content and the nature and background of the man who wrote it. However, that is all that it is: an indictment. That indictment cries out to be tried.
Now I come to the principle of universal jurisdiction, which so shames my right hon. Friend the Member for Liverpool, Wavertree (Jane Kennedy), who would take no interventions on the subject. Let us deal with universal jurisdiction, which she finds so abhorrent. In the case of Tzipi Livni-not a case in which I was retained-inevitably what happened was that evidence was placed before a British district judge, of whom there is no criticism at all. I shall listen carefully to the Minister's reply, when he comes to deal with the issue. If he says that the district judge can be criticised, he is wholly at odds with the Foreign Secretary, who has spoken to me in such terms as, "There is no criticism of that district judge." That district judge, on the evidence placed before him or her-I do not know which, but it was a Westminster district judge-found that there was a prima facie case to answer, because of the evidence of the atrocities committed in Gaza and the authority exercised by Tzipi Livni at the time.
That is the British system. In our system, we have the contribution of the citizen to a degree not exemplified elsewhere. We have jury trial, for instance-the first trial without a jury starts today, ironically, but the basis of our system is still jury trial. The citizen decides; the citizen can initiate process; and the citizen can go to a district judge and put evidence before the judge-if the evidence is there, process will issue. That is our system and I find nothing shameful in that at all. What I find shameful is the speed with which our Prime Minister got in touch with the Israeli Government and told them that there was something wrong with our judicial process. What I find shameful is that the Attorney-General-our Attorneys-General in this Government have a lot to answer for in how they have used their office in the build-up to the Iraq war and now this-going to a Hebrew university, talked about war "lawfare" and said:
"Israel's leaders should always be able to travel freely in the United Kingdom".
Why? Why should Israel's leaders "always" be able to travel, no matter what they do or the atrocities committed by their Government, army and the IDF on their behalf?
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Why? The time has long gone in this world when those who commit war crimes can believe that they can travel with impunity and immunity into civilised states and not face universal jurisdiction.
Mr. Carswell: The hon. and learned Gentleman comes from a proud tradition of the British left of being staunchly anti-imperial and anti-imperialist. Is there not something vaguely imperial about the ambition of universal jurisdiction, the idea that a British court can detain and arrest the leader of another country? Is that not an inversion of the anti-imperial tradition of which he used to be an advocate?
Mr. Marshall-Andrews: It is not just our courts, but all the courts of any country that has signed the fourth Geneva convention and its protocol. That is the point, the jurisdiction is universal, which is the precise opposite of colonial. It is a universal jurisdiction, so that those who commit war crimes and atrocities know that their movement will be restricted in the world. Ironically, those who denied the freedom of movement to others, find that movement is denied to them.
I shall oppose-I very much hope that the wider House will oppose-any attempt to restrict universal jurisdiction at the behest of any state, however powerful, whose leaders are accused and against whom there is prima facie evidence of committing such crimes.
Paul Flynn (Newport, West) (Lab): Was my hon. and learned Friend ashamed of a British Prime Minister referring to the report as describing the "crimes" of Hamas and the "alleged crimes" of Israel? Has not that perception of a lack of even-handedness-that kind of hard power-aroused the antagonism of much of the Muslim community, in our local mosques and throughout the world, and fuelled the terrorist threats?
Mr. Marshall-Andrews: I agree. The perception of partiality in respect of Israel has long dogged not just this Government but British Governments generally. It is high time that such partiality finished. How it is articulated-the semantics used-are carefully chosen.

Goldstone Report debate

Posted Monday, January 18, 2010 6:21 PM
Subject:Westminster Hall speech - Goldstone Report debate - Tues 12 Jan 2010


At 430 this morning, 18th January 2010, quite by accident, I discovered Robert Marshall - Andrews on BBC Parliament debating the Goldstone Report in Westminster Hall. This is certainly the best speech on the Israeli - Gaza situation I have ever heard.

Unfortunately Bob Marshall - Andrews, who has been a consistent opponent of Blairite militarism, at least from the time of the 1999 NATO- Serbian War, is retiring from the House of Commons, but we hope not from Parliament, and I think The Queen shd ennoble him, but whether he wd accept such an honour is another thing.

Of course the Father of the House, Tam Dalyell, got drummed out of Parliament by Blair, but I think he was already a Scottish baronet.

The flat earthist in the Goldstone Debate was Douglas Carswell MP.

I phoned him and told him how much I respect flat earthists, and how much we need them in Parliament, and he, as an Athanasius Contra Mundum, in appearing to be the only UK MP, of (how can I put discreetly) distinctly Anglo Saxon appearance, to reject the overwhelming world consensus, that Gaza was a disaster.

A disaster most of all for Israel.

Whatever their military gain Gaza has opened the eyes of the entire world to the brutality of the Israeli Occupation.

This was Lidice all over again.

A massive reprisal on a civilian population for acts of resistance to an occupying power.

I told Carswell over the phone how much he needs to repent - otherwise he becomes an apologist for, and complicit in, the Isreali war crimes.!

I have already repented! Formerly a Christian Zionist I was brought up to believe the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was the best thing since sliced bread, but now abhor myself in dust and ashes.

But I continue to defend the right of Israel to exist as a sovereign state and as a member of the United Nations.

Most states have been built on appalling violence and ethnic cleansing and we cannot undo 1947/48, when the peoples of Europe, absorbed in their own problems, and affected by The Scourge of the Swastika, revelations about the Nazi death camps, turned a blind eye to Harry Truman's land grab in the Middle East.

Israelis though have now to make their own way in life in the real world, without reliance on the US or Europe and UK particularly has no national interest in whether or not the Israeli state survives.

I think their whole enterprise is probably doomed. But if it is, it is because of Israeli lack of prudence, or capacity in statecraft.

Surrounded by hostile neighbours they shd have tried to build bridges, not exacerbate the situation.

Disinvestment is needed from the failed Israeli experiment. And today's events in Kabul show just how deluded the entire US neo con programme is.

William Spring CANA UK Director.

This comment is posted on http://canauk-politics-religion.blogspot.com


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cyclops and the nato chump

first transmitted by e mail December 02, 2009 2:42 PM
Subject: nato chump and cyclcops


The director of a UK based ecumenical peace group thinks NATO's Secretary General is imbecilic.

"The chump Rasmussen's assertion that NATO will stay in Afghanistan for as long as it takes, or until the Afghans are capable of looking after themselves is somewhat patronising.

It begs the question why the UK taxpayer shd look after the Afghans, when the UK Government seems so entirely incapable of looking after us.

Is looking after the Afghans now the purpose of the mission ?

I thought the plan was to find Osama bin Laden.

We now discover he was within the grasp of US forces but deliberately allowed to escape!

Then the focus shifted to humanitarian reconstruction, with no shots to be fired, according to John Reid.

When this also proved nonsense we were then spun another story : that we were there so young ladies cd go to school, instead of them staying home to do their knitting.

Or to defend their rights not to wear their burkhas.

Then we were told the aim was to build democracy!

I do understand how 9/11 provided such an irresistible argument for Bush to go into Afghanistan.

Although the plot was launched in the KSA the KSA were impossible to fall out with, so some soft target had to be found.

But a punitive raid is one thing - an exercise in colonialism & the installation of a puppet regime is another.

All Afghan experts say that after a time the Afghans coalesce together against foreign invasion.

So the only way out of the Afghan/Pakistan quagmire is to talk to the Taliban.

Every day we are there we are increasing social division and the risk of terrorism in the UK.

As for Obama, like the Grand Old Duke of York /who had ten thousand men/ he marches them up to the top of the hill - intending to march them down again, in time for the mid term elections.


To combine troop reinforcement with an exit strategy is bogus logic.

If I were Taliban I'd look after my poppy fields for 18 months, lie low like Brer Rabbit, and only start up operations again when US forces are on their way out.

In the meantime does Rasmussen really think he will get support from Europeans?

He might get support from Poles and from Ukrainians, and old Cyclops intends to send 500 troops, but Europeans generally are not impressed.

The gerontocratic bureaucracy in need of a pension which is NATO shd have been abolished at the same time as the Warsaw Pact.



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William Spring is Director of CANAUK (formerly "Christians Against Nato Aggression") an independent UK foreign policy monitoring group established 1999.

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Wednesday, December 16, 2009

statement

To canauk bloggers:

I have added the material on Islam and details of my experiences in Saudi Arabia (KSA) because I want to make it clear that my criticism of UK foreign policy isn't based on any pro Muslim theological sympathy.

My opposition to UK foreign policy is because of my Christian and pro life position.

As a Christian I object fundemantally to the Blair-Brown UK foreign policy disaster of the last ten years on moral grounds.

I believe Brown, Blair and Jack Straw shd be prosecuted for war crimes.

These posts give some idea of my position as director of canauk, but of course not everyone sympathetic to, and a supporter of our canauk foreign policy analysis agrees with me on my personal theological presuppostions.


To view older material go to the canauk web site, (which I am no longer uploading as this blog is easier to operate.)

The web site address is

www.canauk.human-rights.org

William Spring December 16th 2009

Obtuse Islam

----- Original Message -----
From: William Spring
To: New Statesman
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: islam & intolerance
To the Editor The New Statesman

From William J Spring 1 Scales Rd London N17 9HB

Tel: 02083761454
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Dear Sir/Madam

Mehdi Hasan's illuminating article on Jesus (NS 14/12/09) tends to give the impression that dialogue between Christians and Muslims is an accomplished fact.

But academic protocols suitable to Cambridge don't exist on the ground.

For a number of years I attended an unrecognised Church in the KSA.

We used to meet at a large villa in the Mursallat suburb of Riyadh.

Always we half expected a knock on the door and eventually it came.

Our pastor was then scheduled for execution on Christmas Day but thanks to the intervention of President Reagan he was deported instead.

After that the Saudis made sure they did not make the same mistake again: instead Christians were arrested on spurious criminal offences, some receiving the gift of martyrdom.

The fact is the spread of Islam has always been by force.

I have inspected the site of a Church in the Arabian desert uncovered from the sands.

The years before the Prophet (PBHM) were not years of complete darkness.

True, there were idolaters in the Arabian Peninsula, but equally the Church was highly organised, and indeed throughout the Arab World and North Africa.

These rich provinces and dioceses were taken from us by force.

On his identity Mehdi seems a little obtuse.

If indeed, as he says, Islam teaches the Virgin Birth, (and also asserts Christ will judge the world in the last day), the assumption he is, or was, simply a prophet is untenable.

If he was not begotten by a human father, who begat him?

Men beget men.

God begets God.

Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten not made, of one being with the Father, "for us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven."


Yrs sincerely

William J Spring

Attack on BBC News

Attack on the BBC:


CANAUK Director William Spring criticises numerous aspects of BBC failures in its news reporting and news analysis function.

See e mail below sent to Helen Boaden today 15th December 2009.




From: "William Spring" <canauk@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <complaintresponse@bbc.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: 17046486 - BBC News vvv
> To Helen Boaden> > I have received a reply to my various e mails outlining my objections to > the sub standard quality of BBC News, the funding for which I am > contributing through the license fee, and for which you are responsible.> > The latest reply is not adequate.> > I paste the BBC reply below, (below a copy of my original complaint e > mails).> > In his reply Paul Wheeler states "..the controversy about the use of > depleted uranium by allied forces in Iraq goes back not just to the 2003 > invasion but the 1991 Gulf war - it is an issue which we have covered on > several occasions..." He then cites instances, the most recent being 1st > November 2006.> > But the complaint was not specifically abt DU!> > It was to do with the "..the exponential rise in cancer cases in Iraq since > 2003 in areas where the Coalition forces, including UK troops operated. > This was because of UK/US policy during the war to use depleted uranium > phosphorus weapons in order to terrorise the population."> > This failure to address my complaint only confirms my point.> > That the BBC is either> > (a) ignorant of the exponential rise in cancer cases in Iraq since 2003 in > areas where the Coalition forces, including UK troops operated> > or> > (b) has chosen to ignore the story.> > The awful suffering of women in particular was portrayed on Al Jazeerah, but > you cannot allow us the British public to see what UK policies have resulted > in, for the entirely innocent people of Iraq.> > 2. The war in Yemen.> > Paul Wheeler again only proves my point. The first reference he finds abt > the war is late October 2009. But the war started in August 2009. For two > months the BBC ignored the war.> > Even now the BBC gives it scant coverage.> > The claim that US war planes are bombing Yemen, the US CIA & Special Forces > dimension, the massive bombardment the other night from the KSA, & of > course a complete lack of analysis, the fact that it is a proxy war between > the KSA and USA with Iran, all this is ignored.> > 3 The omission of Sir - describing Sir John Chilcot as Mr.> > There is no point denying this as I heard the journalist make this mistake.> > I am not asking for him to be sacked. But what worries me is, "does this > omission of the "Sir" indicate some general ignorance among today's BBC > newsreaders?"> > If the BBC uses journalists to read the news, maybe this policy shd be > reversed.> > Bring back Sylvia Peters. She wdn't have made that mistake.> > 4. I concede yr point abt the Italian military deaths.> > Simply when I switched channels back to the BBC there was no mention in the > coverage I saw at the time of the deaths, although both Press TV and Al > Jazeera had cameras on the scene.> > 5. Iraq: the BBC fails entirely to portray the true enormity of the > political mistake we made going into Iraq.> > The massive explosions in Baghdad recently.> > I forget who, but a BBC TV correspondent did his best to massage the UK > public. I will paraphrase..." as everybody knows things have been getting > better in Iraq but there are occasional lapses in security and if this goes > on cd lead to some destabilisation. " Bollox.> > The fact is the entire country is coming apart.> > And you at the BBC refuse to admit this or to say who is responsible:> > (a) we are. because we went in in the first place> (b) the Saudis, who apparently fund and train the Al Quaeda groups who are > wreaking such havoc in Baghdad and across the country with their massive > bombs.> > This KSA/ Al Quaeda involvement is because> > (c) of the Shia take over of Iraq. and the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad of > most of its Sunni inhabitants - again hardly ever mentioned on the BBC.> > What I want to know is when will there be a proper analysis on the BBC of > the Iraq situation?> > Or indeed a full analysis of the regional war, which has broken out and > which now involves at least the following countries:Afghanistan, Pakistan, > Somalia, Yemen, Iraq and Palestine? Soon I fear it will be Iran and Lebanon.> > > 6 I won't go through the entire response but simply bring up one glaring > omission from yesterday's (15th December 2009) coverage. The arrest warrant > for Livni. This story broke on Press TV on Saturday, 12th December. By > Sunday night (13th) it was the main story on both Press TV and Al Jazeerah, > with full analysis - that a warrant had been issued and then revoked. By > Monday (14th) cameras from Al Jazeerah were outside the Court in London, > (although oddly the Court itself has not been identified.)> > In vain last night Tuesday (15th) I waited for some mention BBC TV News at > 6pm for a reference to the affair.> > I cannot recall exactly, but it is possible you made a brief reference to > the story abt 6.20 pm. But by this time I was switching across yr text > service to find a reference there. I cd not find it on main headlines of the > text service, but did eventually find a report on he World News section I > think.> > But isn't this crazy? The most important story of the weekend, apart from > the possible BA strike, and you don't pick it up until 3 days later!!!> > By contrast C4 News at 7 pm last night (15th) devoted about ten minutes to > the story with a discussion in the studio.> > The BBC TV News service at the moment isn't fit for purpose.> > It is very sad that you have presided over such a massive deterioration in > BBC standards.> > > Yrs sincerely> > William Spring> > ps You do not need to reply to this points. This correspondence will be > posted on my blog and sent to media lens.> > > > > To Stuart Webb> BBC Complaints> > I wish to complain that I have not received a response to my original> complaint which was sent to you more than ten days ago.> > I now wish to add two more complaints..> > 1. Yr news announcer on BBC24 Hours News at ten past midnight on the 23rd> November 2009 described Sir John Chilcote as Mr John Chilcote.> > No correction was made.> > 2. Your TV news channel consistently refuses to screen the demolitions now> in progress in East.Jerusalem.> > Arbitrarily Israelis tanks arrive with bulldozers to knock peoples' houses> down on the simple grounds that they are Arab.> > This is not reported by the BBC.> > 3. Please note the text below of a statement made to a large number of> organisations and individuals. I describe the BBC as the most corrupt> media organisation in the world.> > Your executives extort from the public disgraceful salaries and expenses but> the BBC takes no notice whatsoever of any feed back from public (whether> over Jonathon Ross, or Jerry Springer The Opera which attracted ed 35,000> complaints).> > 4 Jeremy Paxman is one person in The Corporation who actually deserves an> enormous salary, + the Today presenter (yesterday morning John Humphrys I> think) who put the war> criminality of Blair on the agenda.> > When I tried to do the same in 1999 at 715 am in the morning I was then> blocked from broadcasting again, and the BBC lady producer who had invited> on to The Sunday Programme was sacked.> > I wait your response.> > Yours> > > William Spring> > > > > William Spring is Director of CANAUK (formerly "Christians Against Nato> Aggression") an independent UK foreign policy monitoring group: Tel:> 00442083761454 mobile 00447988874778> > > > ----->>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Helen Boaden>>>> You have on various occasions answered, or attempted to answer, criticisms>> I>> have made of BBC broadcasting standards (in my capacity as Director of>> CANAUK.)>>>> Unfortunately news standards at BBC TV have not improved - indeed they>> have>> sadly deteriorated since the last correspondence I had with you.>>>> I will give you some examples re apparent non coverage of vitally>> important>> stories in the last few weeks:>>>> 1.The exponential rise in cancer cases in Iraq since 2003 in areas where>> the>> Coalition forces, including UK troops operated.>> This was because of UK/US policy during the war to use depleted uranium &>> phosphorus weapons in order to terrorise the population.>> 2. The failure to report, or at least the failure to give a high profile>> report, on the Italian case involving the guilty verdict on the CIA>> station>> chief and 22 CIA operatives for their role in kidnapping.>> 3.The failure to report Al Barradi's remarks this week abt Iran posing no>> threat to the international community - his comments that the latest>> Iranian nuclear site, the so called discovery of which was trumpeted by>> Gordon Brown as an indictor of Iranian bad faith, when Iran had complied>> with all IAEA protocols, is in fact no cause for concern, and that the>> motives behind the Iranian drive to obtain nuclear power were>> understandable in terms of their regional power aspirations.>> 4.The failure to report the war in Yemen & KEA involvement>> 5 The failure to report on the deaths of six Italian soldiers in>> Afghanistan>> until 24 hours after the other channels. The failure too to provide a>> proper comprehensive and technically efficient report re the recent UK>> deaths in Afghanistan.>>>> These stories re non coverage cd be multiplied a thousand times.>>>> On general BBC issues there is the Jonathon Ross scandal, who the BBC shd>> have fired, and the profligate misuse of public money by the BBC, with>> inflated salaries and expenses both for yourself, and Mark Thompson.>>>> The worst current affairs programme on BBC TV at the moment is Question>> Time, with its 3:1 ratio every week in favour of those within the now>> falling apart consensus.>>>> I refer to last week's programme with Sir Ian Blair.>>>> David Dimbleby thought the issue as to whether we are right to be engaged>> in>> military operations in Afghanistan shd be determined by expert Blair, who>> on cue, then said it was vital that we keep control of the NW Frontier>> Province.>>>> We have heard that before - about 1890.>>>> Hasn't the BBC, or the Government, considered an alternative view, that>> the>> more drones the Yanks send over Pakistan, nominally their ally, to engage>> in>> more extra judicial killings from the air, the more the rage of the>> population will be expressed against the US and British, so whenever there>>>> is a chance of killing their troops on the ground the insurgents will take>>>> it.>>>> A NS article about nine months ago by a Western journalist said that>> whenever a Western soldier is killed the population of Afghanistan>> rejoices.>> (I can't recall the correspondent's name. Professionally for him to report>> such news does not go down well.)>>>> But a US analyst confirmed his point who said, a few days ago. that the>> insurgency is now the entire population.>>>> The above details may be a bit patchy, as I am now watching Press TV & Al>> Jazeera most of the time, only switching back to the BBC to check main>> news>> headlines.>>>> You cd prove perhaps that some of these items above have been covered, but>>>> not I suggest as priority stories.>>>> Why do you think, when we are now watching Press TV and Al Jazeera for our>>>> news, that the BBC should receive any license fee fee whatsoever?>>>> Have you got some divine right to steal our money?>>>> You keep anyone with views which challenge the New Labour foreign policy>> and>> moral consensus off the air, e.g. John Pilger on the Left, Peter Hitchens>>>> on the Right, and Nick Griffin on the far Right, who only got on to>> Question>> Time because of his European Parliament seat.>>>> Has it not occurred to you, that you shd have allowed ventilation of these>>>> subjects earlier, as we are supposed to be living in a democracy, and>> topical issues need to be discussed and how will dissident groups operate>> without the oxygen of publicity?>>>> Ever since 1999 when I said Tony Blair was a war criminal (on the Sunday>> programme at 7.15 am on a Sunday morning) my organisation has been ignored>>>> by the BBC, and the producer who invited me on ( I think her name was>> Davenport) was then sacked.>>>> You shd not be intimidated by political spivs like Hain.>>>> These new totalitarians claim the right to determine what we are to think>> and aim to suppress the exchange of information and ideas.>>>> When Mr Griffin did appear the BBC had already incited the audience and>> panellists to heckle and abuse him.>>>> I am very bothered about Fascists. I am not so bothered about fringe>> groups,>> Fascists out of power. What I am bothered most of all about are Fascists>> who in power and we have had a Fascist regime in power for the last twelve>>>> years, who have dismantled most of our democratic rights to free>> expression,>> and taken away our legal protections, a state which claims our children>> are>> theirs, endorses torture, and engages under bogus pretexts on various>> military expeditions, consequently killing, maiming or giving cancer to>> hundreds of thousands of entirely innocent people.>>>> Your appalling level of non information and non debate means I am now>> exploring the idea of not paying the license fee.>>>> When you pay for a service you expect it to be provided.>>>> I am asking for transfer of information with me from those who already>> have>> come to the same conclusion.>>>> Yrs sincerely>>>> William Spring>>>> Tel 07988874778>> 02083761454>>> >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.67/2506 - Release Date: 11/16/09> 07:43:00> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <complaintresponse@bbc.co.uk>> To: <canauk@blueyonder.co.uk>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:16 PM> Subject: 17046486 - BBC News> > > > Dear Mr Spring> > Thank you for your e-mails dated 9 and 25 November and please accept my> sincere apologies for the delay in responding to them.> > I have noted your various concerns and have discussed them with Helen> Boaden's office, who have asked me to reply on their behalf.> > Many of the issues to which you refer have been investigated and/or covered> by BBC News and I have included some examples of this coverage below.> > The controversy about the use of depleted uranium by allied forces in Iraq> goes back not just to the 2003 invasion but the 1991 Gulf war - it is an> issue which we have covered on several occasions. For example:> > - Iraqi call on depleted uranium - 4 December 1998:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/227621.stm> > - Iraq DU probe to go ahead - 26 January 2001:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1138552.stm> > - Depleted uranium risk 'ignored' - 1 November 2006:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6105726.stm> > The above article was part of a more detailed investigation by 'Today' on> this issue - more information is available on the programme website:> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/reports/international/uranium_20061101.sht> ml> > The trial of the CIA agents accused and later convicted of kidnapping Abu> Omar has also received coverage since it started in 2007:> > - Egypt torture centre, report says - 11 April 2007:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6544149.stm> > - Italy CIA kidnap trial adjourned - 18 June 2007:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6763701.stm> > - CIA agents guilty of Italy kidnap - 4 November 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8343123.stm> > - CIA guilty in Italy rendition case - 5 November 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8343690.stm> > It also received coverage on 'PM', Radio 4 summaries and the BBC News> Channel on 4 November.> > Similarly, we have covered all aspects of the situation in Yemen, including> Saudi Arabian involvement. In addition to coverage on Radio 4 and the BBC> News Channel, here are some examples from the website:> > - Yemen rebels 'fight Saudi forces' - 22 October 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8321073.stm> > - Saudi jets 'attack Yemen rebels' - 5 November 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8344394.stm> > - Saudis 'renew Yemen bombing' - 13 November 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8360015.stm> > - Yemen troops 'kill Houthi rebel leader' - 18 November 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8368442.stm> > - Saudi troops 'captured' by Houthi rebels in Yemen - 27 November 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8382484.stm> > - Yemen army advance on Houthi rebels in Saada - 8 December 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8401036.stm> > You also claim that the BBC only reported on the deaths of six Italian> soldiers in Kabul 24 hours after the story had been covered by other news> channels. Looking at the running order for the BBC News Channel on 17> September though, it's clear that the story was covered as it was breaking.> > For examples, at 10:15 that morning, the story broke as follows:> > "There's been a large explosion in the centre of Kabul. The blast happened> close to an American military base and the US embassy. Witnesses have> described seeing at least two bodies at the scene of the blast; the> explosion is said to have destroyed a number of armoured vehicles. It is> the fourth major attack in the capital in five weeks."> > Around 15 minutes later, the confirmation that six Italian military> personnel had been killed came through:> > "More now on that explosion in Kabul that has killed 6 Italian military> personnel. That confirmation just in from the Italian Ministry of Defence.> Our world affairs correspondent David Loyn is with me now…"> > The deaths of the soldiers, the return of their bodies to Italy and the> funeral ceremony were all covered on the BBC News website:> > - Italian forces die in Kabul blast - 17 September 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8260419.stm> > - Italian Afghan dead brought home - 20 September 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8265212.stm> > - Italians mourn Afghanistan dead - 21 September 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8266226.stm> > In your e-mail of 25 November you claim that at 00:10 on 23 November, the> presenter on the BBC News Channel referred to Sir John Chilcot as "Mr John> Chilcot" but having watched the item, I can confirm that he was referred to> correctly throughout - below is the relevant part of the transcript:> > "The man in charge of the inquiry into the Iraq war has said his committee> will not produce a report that's a "whitewash". Sir John Chilcot has> promised to produce a full and insightful account. He'll begin to hear> evidence from senior government figures on Tuesday. Sir John told our> correspondent, Nicholas Witchell that he and his colleagues are impartial…[> brief interview with Nicholas Witchell]…Sir John Chilcot speaking to our> correspondent, Nicholas Witchell."> > In the same e-mail you also suggest that we have failed to sufficiently> cover the demolition of Palestinian homes. Again, examples of our coverage> can be found on our website:> > - Israelis flatten Palestinian home - 12 October 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8303355.stm> > - Israeli settlement plan denounced - 18 November 2009:> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8364815.stm> > And below is an excerpt of a report by Jeremy Bowen on the 'BBC News at> Ten' on 5 November:> > Jeremy Bowen:> "But the humiliations continue, backed by Israeli law, with more> Palestinian homes demolished in occupied east Jerusalem. Settlers, armed> with a court order, broke into this house. Others had already taken over> across the road. Dispossessed Palestinian families were left outside in the> rain."> > Palestinian Woman:> "They don't want Arab and Muslim. The only thing to make Jerusalem is for> Jewish people."> > Jeremy Bowen:> "Israel has refused months of American requests to freeze all settlement> activity, a last straw for many Palestinians, including their President,> was Washington's failure to stop what's happening on these streets. So it> looks as though there is a Palestinian family here suffering the tragedy of> losing their home…"> > Finally, with regard to your suggestion that the BBC does not provide> platform for debate, may I refer you to the Red Button on your TV; to daily> Radio 5 Live phone-ins; to 'Any Questions' and 'Any Answers' on Radio 4; to> Radio 1 Newsbeat's web, text, Facebook, Twitter interaction; the BBC News> website's use of social networking sites for interactive conversations> about news and the Have Your Say message boards.> > However, even when taking all of the above into consideration, it's> important to stress that choosing which stories to cover and how much time> to devote to them is a subjective matter and one which we know not everyone> will feel we get right every time.> > The fact is that the BBC News cannot - nor should it - report absolutely> every twist and turn, event or theory as it arises in relation to any> story. There may however be a range of reasons why a particular story is> not reported: for example, verification may not immediately be available;> resources may be directed at other competing news stories; there may be> time constraints or perhaps a piece of information is not underpinned by> sufficiently rigorous evidence. In any case, our website already has a> wealth of stories, briefings, analysis and fact files about any number of> different stories.> > I recognise that you may continue to hold a generally negative view on the> quality of BBC News and have noted your comments about the Licence Fee.> It's a shame that you feel this way but I can assure you that senior> figures at BBC News have been made aware of your concerns.> > Once again, thank you for taking the time to get in touch.> > Regards> > Paul Wheeler> Divisional Advisor> BBC Complaints> > www.bbc.co.uk/complaints> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.98/2552 - Release Date: 12/08/09> 07:34:00 >

Thursday, November 26, 2009

why we watch press tv

by William Spring CANAUK DIRECTOR (London)

WHY WE TAKE OUR NEWS FROM TEHRAN

Yesterday I said to a friend that, amid the mediocrity of BBC coverage, its constant suppression of truth in favour of vulgarity, there is a glimpse of light @ the end of the tunnel, a reminder of what real news and informed debate should be about, and was about a long time ago, before Panorama went down the tubes with the death of Richard Dimbleby.

This glimpse of light comes from what a few months ago I wd have thought as a most unlikely source: Tehran.

Since getting my Sky box, which I cdn't afford before, most of my news nowadays comes from Tehran.

I can't comment on Press TV's treatment of local and domestic Iranian news.

But it's refreshing to find a channel where there is informed rational discussion on international affairs in areas otherwise taboo to the BBC, where our UK dissidents, the usual suspects, have a media forum.

To give an example: the death of Edward Kennedy.

On the day of his funeral I'd got back late. Earlier I'd seen part of the Memorial Mass in the Cathedral but missed the final obsequies at the Arlington National Cemetery .

But if you miss something with Sky and the BBC it's old news.

Although there were banner headlines running along the bottom of both channels saying Edward Kennedy had been laid to rest etc, no footage was available.

I wryly reflected on the barrage of dumbed down news, comment & pictures we were subjected to over several weeks when Michael Jackson died.

He and Jade Goody were clearly more considerable media figures in BBC-Sky terms than Edward Kennedy, who, as far as they were concerned, the waves had already covered him up.


I turned to Press TV.

There I found George Galloway talking about Edward Kennedy with Charlie Wolf, a US republican.

Both of them struck exactly the right note.

Galloway spoke of Edward Kennedy as Lion of the Senate - however flawed, the standard bearer of the liberal cause in the USA. Wolf acknowledged his many disagreements with Kennedy, but also paid tribute to his incomparable standing.


For me reminders of Edward Kennedy evoked my youth, the peace movement, picketing the Dow Chemical Company on campus, Chappaquidic, the Graduate.

This was another age, when Canadians listened to the news from London from the BBC every day at 1 pm.

Also, but in the 1950's, I'd paid a visit to a cemetery in the UK village of Chatsworth and found the grave of one of Edward's sisters. She'd been married to the Marquess of Hartington. He was killed on active service in 1944, and she followed him I think in 1949.

Kennedy stood out over Iraq, one of only 23 Senators to oppose the war from the beginning .

I saw him a couple of years ago in a Senate Committee cross examining some Bush employee abt something to do with the Iraq War. When he roared the poor man almost collapsed. (Would any British MP have similar gravitas?)

His death shd not have gone effectively unremarked, as it did with the BBC/Sky.

But more was to come.

George got onto something else: the Al Megrahi case.

Charley trotted out the plausible argument that Al Megrahi was a convicted terrorist and shd serve his sentence out in full.

George called up Tam Dalyell.

Tam. A great man who has done more to promote the teachings of St Thomas Aquinas in politics than any recent Pope.

He labelled the Iraq War and Blair's other wars as unjust while the UK hierarchies, Anglican and RC, were and are still making up their minds on the subject.

For this he was forced out of Parliament by Blair.

As former Father of the House of Commons, far from being ga ga as Blair wd have us believe, on Press TV Tam was his usual eloquent and combative self.

The Lion of Linlithgow, he asserted Megrahi was innocent, that the only deal done over his release was the reprehensible one of making him give up his appeal so he could get out.

(A former UK ambassador to Libya, Oliver Miles earlier had made the same point, on BBC Radio 4. So much for international justice.)

Oliver Miles and George both raised the issue of the Vincennes: a US war ship which shot down a civilian Iranian air liner over the Gulf carrying pilgrims to Mecca. The commander of the Vincennes got decorated.

Also in my youth I went to Llandindrod Wells, a small town in Wales.

At a guest house I met up with the Rev John Moser, a transparently honest man.

I've never seen him since, apart from on television. His daughter was a victim on Flight 103.

John Moser says he has doubts about the Al Megrahi conviction.

If he has doubts there are doubts.

Press TV is performing a most invaluable task.

Only when you look at it do you realise how totally inadequate and debased Sky/BBC coverage is.

The difference in news terms is between black and white television, and colour, Sky/BBC is the old set and Press TV the new.

I have just written to complain to the BBC that they don't show any of the demolitions carried out by the Israelis in Occupied Jerusalem.

This is a major news story & it's been going on for years.

Where else in the world do government contractors turn up on yr door step to knock down yr house, simply because you are in the wrong ethnic group?

Andrew Gilligan finds a home on Press TV.

I divide BBC history into two epochs, pre Andrew Gilligan and post Andrew Gilligan, just as there was pre Lord Reith and post Lord Reith.

When they fired Gilligan & his boss Greg Dyke the BBC gave the clearest signal that it can't possibly be an independent broadcaster but it's merely another state news channel like all the others censoring its output from the public, (who nevertheless pay for it.)

But there is one conclusive argument why we should all look at Press TV. Sheena Shirani

Sunday, February 15, 2009

SNP Appeal

Appeal to the Scottish National Party

A coalition of UK peace groups asks the SNP to act as facilitator for a conference in Edinburgh, with a subsequent conference in London, to discuss International Justice in the context of examining war crimes as committed by the Western Alliance with particular reference to the Gaza crisis.

William Spring Director of CANAUK comments:

The Gaza War & the felonious response of the British Government and the BBC to this humanitarian disaster provided the germ for this idea.

Summary

The concept of an international legal order, where the only culprits ever arraigned consist in the leaders and operatives of those states defeated by the western alliance, while the western alliance itself is exempt from legal scrutiny, is unsustainable.


The question is whether

(a) it is possible or even desirable to seek for an international legal order, based on the precedents of Nuremberg, with individuals held accountable for crimes committed by them while in a military or executive office,

or

(b) if it is agreed that there shd be a legal order, is the currently flawed international legal order at all redeemable, &/or capable of being corrected?

By western alliance I have in mind the USA & such countries associated with, allied to, or under its influence, in terms of the USA significantly determining national policy.

In short

What concrete steps can be taken to put the focus on war crimes committed by the alliance?

And how can we overcome the blanket immunity from prosecution granted to western leaders?

We will examine the inadequacies of past UK enquiries, and possible future UK enquiry within the Parliamentary system, should such an ever be agreed, and discuss whether it is possible for such a future enquiry to significantly demonstrate executive culpability, given that Parliamentary enquiries and Royal Commissions in UK are controlled by the executive.

We believe the UK executive will go to any lengths, in terms of bribing, threatening and even murdering individuals in order to obfuscate and cover up the truth as indicated by the death of Dr David Kelly.

We will ask why impeachment proceedings have not been instituted against the UK war leaders in Parliament, and as Westminster is so unwilling to examine the malfeasance of the Cabinet, we question if there is a route via the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh and NI assemblies?


We may conclude that only the legal route is possible, i.e. western leaders shd be held accountable before either international courts or domestic courts, or both, (subject to such courts functioning according to universally accepted legal criteria )


We will look at various military adventures of the alliance since May 1st 1997 to the present day concentrating on the Gaza campaign, perceived as a reprisal on innocent civilians, where Israel did the actual killing, while the alliance acted as the captors of the civilian population, in effect lining the women and children up against the wall, so they could be shot.

We will examine the law of genocide and see if there are any steps that can be taken to save a nation from gradual and painful obliteration.

We want to arrive at, and ratify a Strategy for Palestine, in the context of examining the roots of the Arab Israeli conflict, suggesting the unworkability of the two state solution, as Arabs will not be put into Bantustans, &the need to escalate political pressure on the Israeli Government to desist from war crimes by imposing sanctions on trade, finance and relations.

We want to examine how diplomatic pressure on the UN General Assembly and Security Council can be applied with a view to setting up an International War Crimes Tribunal for Palestine.

Peaceful resolution of a conflict by legal redress could defuse the state of alert over terrorism, as so many contemporary terrorist threats incorporate references to the cruel and terrifying destruction of Palestine.

The objects of the conference will inter alia involve formulating a counter strategy to international terrorism, bearing in mind that most terrorism of the present day is state terrorism as applied by the western alliance.


The aim would be to prepare over the next two months with a view to holding the Conference in June, first at Holyrood House and then at a later date in the Palace of Westminster.


We would welcome your reactions and ideas.

An outline of the general crime and the ways to overcome obstacles to addressing it is attached.






attached: 'The Israeli Massacre of Gaza' by Dr James Thring









Israeli Massacre of Gaza
The Israeli Massacre of Gaza which they tried to stop the world from seeing was a conspiracy to murder a group of people. The indiscriminate mass murder and maiming of a whole population is not only a disgraceful series of War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. The deliberate destruction of an ethnic, religious or national group, in whole or in part, is defined by the Geneva Conventions as 'Genocide' more succinctly defined in the International Criminal Court Act (2001) p69.
Drastic action is needed before these despicable crimes are repeated.
It is the worst example of cruel inhumanity the world has yet seen: Worse than the holocaust, where fighter bombers were not used on civilians and which was over in 5 years;
Worse than Iraq where at least people were not so caged in;
Worse than Zimbabwe, Rwanda or Apartheid South Africa where again there was no carpet bombing with chemical weapons;
Far worse than Georgia;
Far worse than Guantanamo Bay;
Immeasurably worse than Tiananmen Square.
The Zionist regime must be arraigned. It should be dismantled and buried. Stalin gave Jews a homeland in 1928 in Birobidjan, East Russia where 200,000 live in peace.
The most civilized way to end this serial Genocide, because Israel is clearly deaf to persuasion, is for every conscientious government to start immediate proceedings against Olmert, Livni, Barak, Netanyahu et al. in national courts under the Geneva Conventions, which oblige States Party to take action when such crimes are committed, whether the criminal state has signed up or not. The felons can be arrested when they land, as Daniel Machover has pioneered.
Of course, the UN Security Council should resolve to refer the massacre to the International Court of Justice and apply immediate restrictions on suspects' movement as well as their trade, finance and an armament, under Chapter V11 of the Charter which invokes the threat of military blockade if all else fails. Art.27 of the Charter provides for dismissing Parties to the dispute such as the USA.
If this is frustrated by Zionist blackmail, the General Assembly can set up an International War Crimes Tribunal on Israel under Article 22, as outlined by Prof Francis Boyle of Illinois University Law School.

Dr James B Thring

Tuesday, July 03, 2007

not into the sunset for blair

CANAUK Director William J Spring in a statement headed Don't Let Him Walk off into the Sunset has called for links between groups and individuals endeavouring to bring the ancien regime to account. "An entirely new political force - not necessarily a party - needs to emerge, untainted by the errors and moral turpitude of the Blair regime...But now Blair's gone, probably by now, or very soon he will be beyond the jurisdiction. But he will return to UK from time to time. At that point he should be confronted by the full array of legal instruments." The statement is pasted below and on the blog. The statement can be reproduced in whole or part in any media, subject only to proper acknowledgement.



Don't Let Him Walk off into the Sunset


On the day of Mr Blair's resignation I e mailed a "Note to MPs."

I reproduce it at the end of this summary, under the Sillars story, which is taken from
http://www.holyrood.com/content/view/539/23/

Since writing the Note to MPs we have seen the last spin/deception, (the creation of a 'political consensus' that Blair was a great leader, flawed merely by 'events' ) finally unravel.

In standing to applaud Blair and urging his MPs to do likewise "Dripping Wet Dave" proved to the UK public there is only one party - the party of capitalism and globalism.

In effect a one party state operates as evidenced e.g. in the parachuting in to a Cabinet post of a senior Tory, and the appointment - who cd believe it possible - of an ex CBI Director General to a Labour (?) Government.

The consensual applause (in violation of Parliamentary convention) also demonstrated how impossible it is to look to the Tories when seeking to hold the Blair regime to account.

I don't know what the Lib Dems did - but the Scots and Welsh Nationalists did not participate in this charade.

So we, the English people, have to look to the Scots and Welsh nationalists for principled opposition to the Government.

A former Scots Nationalist MP, Jim Sillars, has now given a dossier (approximately 11,000 words long) to the Lord Advocate in Edinburgh indicating why Blair cd be brought before the Scottish Courts. See the report below.

As for the Lib Dems at least Charles Kennedy tried to oppose the Govt's foreign policy.

Ming Campbell opposes the Iraq war, but undercuts these efforts by his support for the war in Afghanistan.

Lynne Featherstone MP informs me that the reason for this is that the war in Afghanistan is legal. Also Ming Campbell wants to maintain the credibility of NATO, which is why the children die.

There might have been a UN resolution providing "cover" - (although now Jim Addington is dead it is going to be more difficult for me to verify the situation, for he knew everything about UN resolutions, and he wd always answer any questions I put to him with his usual amicability.)

But that is hardly the point.

The basic problem is the UN Security Council, as dominated by the US.

This unipolar domination has led the Security Council (SC) into a series of follies including resolution 1441, which came near to violating the UN Charter, and contained a fallacy, that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

That resolution shd be annulled and expunged from the record of the United Nations.

For a long time Britain and the USA have been assiduously seeking to destroy the UN in making the SC a creature of their will.

Jim Addington of Action for UN Renewal whose death, at the age of 82 I heard of last week, was one of the (relatively few) clear thinkers re international relations in British politics, in consequence of which he never made it to the Cabinet table, (nor was he an MP @ any time as far as I know.)

But it was Jim who drummed on about this great danger, of allowing the SC to override the UN General Assembly, to arrogate to itself more and more powers, de facto increasing the powers of Washington

If there is an international order it is summed up in the UN Charter. This the UK used to support, or said it did, but under the bellicose rule of Blair resulted in a disastrous series of wars the legacy of which is that hundreds of millions of Muslims are now eager to tear English and Scotsmen and women to shreds.

In the Blair - Brown change over, Parliament instead of facing up to these enormities went through an Asiatic charade by which no one shd lose face and everyone must bow and scrape.

But at least in Japanese corporate culture the top man does accept responsibility when things go wrong.

What MPs should have done, some time ago, rather than applaud Blair and give him a way out, they shd have revived the old Junker tradition, or its political equivalent, and ushered him into a vacant room, left him with a glass of whisky and a loaded revolver and allowed him to do the honourable thing.


The question is: do we let Blair to walk off into the sunset without pursuit?

One day after the unedifying Commons spectacle the picture palace collapsed.

All the attempts to hide reality and evade the brutal truth about the Blair legacy came unstuck.

Prior to the general applause given in the Commons, there was a standing ovation @ the Cabinet table given by Blair's ministers.

While he was receiving this round of applause a UK soldier - I think from the 4th Rifles - was dying of injuries he'd received in Basra, and after the second round of applause in the Commons, 3 UK soldiers died in a roadside bomb, and I believe another soldier was seriously injured, and then came the attempted attacks on London, and the Glasgow incident.



His legacy has been one of war, and as wars are never one sided, and there is always an enemy, his legacy has been to create that enemy.


Blairs last war earlier this year was on Africa - authorising US war planes to attack Somalian villages from US bases on the UK colony of Diego Garcia, an air bombardment combined with a surrogate invasion which provoked the biggest refugee crisis in Africa yet.

But Somalia doesn't get a mention in the media, only Darfur.

But at the beginning there was Serbia, the Racak massacre, the rationale for 'humanitarian' war.

"Spring has come early to the Balkans" said Madeleine Albright hearing from its organiser William Walker
of the success of his staged massacre. Walker did his CIA internship directing US sponsored death squads in Central America and then applied his skills to the Balkans.

After Serbia, there was Afghanistan and Sierra Leone, (which was nothing to do about diamonds, it was done to stop Africans chopping off each other arms). But nothing similar has been done about Zimbabwe.

There was another war in Macedonia, followed by Iraq, and the Israeli siege of Gaza, and last year's war in the Lebanon, all of these supported by Blair and in the case of Lebanon he had prior knowledge that an incident involving the supposed kidnap of an Israeli soldier wd be staged to justify the Israeli invasion and famously tried to obstruct a cease fire.

The entire foreign policy of the Blair Government was predicated on lies.

Profumo told one lie to Parliament, got found out and then went down to the East End for the rest of his life.

Then there is Blair's endorsement of torture.

Macshane denies that UK air space and UK airports have been used for 'extraordinary rendition.'

In practical terms 'extraordinary rendition' means sending someone to Uzbekistan to be boiled in a pot.

But who can believe Macshane's denials?

We can never win a war on terror when we ourselves descend to the level of the barbarians.

But now Blair's gone, probably by now, or very soon he will be beyond the jurisdiction.

But he will return to UK from time to time.

At that point he should be confronted by the full array of legal instruments. The fact he has resigned his seat does not preclude his impeachment by Parliament. There are too numerous breaches of domestic law, such as The Geneva Convention Act, for which he can be held accountable, such as the massacre by the SAS of unarmed prisoners at Mazar i Sharif.

All individuals and groups not prepared to indemnify Blair, as Ford indemnified Nixon, and Bush Scooter Liddy, should now establish links and develop a liaison, first on the internet.

We need to exchange blog spots and web site addresses.

This could lead on to a meeting at some stage. But some money will be needed to get this up and running.

A general theme might be "Blair for the Hague" as summing up the intent of holding him accountable.


But there is a problem. It was not only Blair.

It's the entire political class who have let this country down, they are all Guilty Men who have brought Britain to the brink of ruin, and involvement in endless war.

The Halifaxes and Simons of today are IDS, and Michael Ancram, Jack Straw, Hoon, and Brown himself.

The ancien regime is implicated in its collectivity in the ongoing tragedy and even if they say sorry as a short term expedient by now it will be regarded as a sham.

An entirely new political force - not necessarily a party - needs to emerge, untainted by the errors and moral turpitude of the Blair regime.

The fourth party within the Labour Party, people like Corbyn, Bob Marshall Andrews, Glenda Jackson should co-operate across the spectrum with Tories such as Douglas Hogg, Dominic Grieve.

Lib Dems, or some of them such as Norman Baker MP, courageous enough to finger Blair for the Murder of Dr Kelly, need a role in this.

Things are bad and are going to get worse.

And the Churches should also say more.

Why is it we have had to rely for the voice of morality in international relations on Pinter and Pilger, neither of them prominent Churchmen.

Tthe Churches need to be involved to promote dialogue with our Muslim friends.

I am opposed to Wahabbi style style intolerance and against the persecution of Christians by whoever. Let a thousand flowers bloom. But I can understand the abhorrence of many Muslims confronted with the degenerate state of UK society.

Why are our boys dying in Afghanistan? A hundred and fifty years ago they died for the Empire."Play up, play up and play the game."

Now they die for 'democracy', for reconstruction projects, for Rupert Murdoch, and his page three girls, for Big Brother, and hybrid babies, a right dreamed up by demented scientists at the University of Newcastle, which Blair, (the potential Catholic convert), in virtually his last legislative act included in a bill due to be placed before the Commons in the autumn.

On balance I'd rather live under the Taliban.

A society spiritually deprived as we are inevitably invites destruction.

A Committee for Public Safety needs to be formed of individuals who will put this country first.

"Speak for England" Greenwood was told in the May debate in 1940.

So far the only people appearing to put England first are the Nats, seemingly out of the loop of corruption otherwise known as the old boy network which emasculates the main parties and renders them ridiculous in the eyes of the public.

Suggestions on how this debate can be forwarded are welcome.

My blog spot is www.canauk-politics-religion.blogspot.com

I received this from Jan Oberg. This is Robert Fisk at his best.





"How could Blair possibly get this job? by Robert Fisk

I remain overwhelmed that this vain, deceitful man, this proven liar, a trumped-up lawyer who has the blood of thousands of Arab men, women and children on his hands is really contemplating being "our" Middle East envoy. http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk06232007.html


Here are some of my answers to how on earth Blair could get that job:

1. Literally no one among the top leaders of the international "community" has any professional training or personal understanding of conflict-resolution, reconciliation and peace - so, take what you have. The appointment of Blair is revealing of the intellectual and moral poverty of leaders is mind-boggling

2. Western leaders who have violated international law, who could be indicted for war crimes and who have consistently lied to the world either keep their positions or get promoted - e.g. Blair, Clinton, Albright, Fogh Rasmussen, Javier Solana, Wesley Clark, Bush...

3. Ban Ki-moon, the new Secretary-General of the UN, one of the "Quartet", regrettably has accepted (or been forced to accept) a non-convicted war criminal as his envoy - meaning he lacks civil courage.

4. The West no longer has a sense of history - the UK, like the US, being among the world's least fit countries to mediate in the Middle East

5. The West, including Russia of course, by definition always does right and might is right.

6. The West cares only about the elites.

Diplomats and commentators all over the place agree that Blair is a guy government leaders will meet while he is loathed by citizens throughout the Arab world and Iran. But who cares about that?

7. Spin, charisma, deceit and the marketing of a policy today is much more important than knowledge, decency, ethics and the quality content of policy - and mainstream media reflect the power that be.

8. The West has no sensitivity, no sense of shame and no ability to deeply empathize with anybody outside its own countries; otherwise it would not humiliate the feelings of millions by making non-convicted war criminal Blair its envoy. It would rather have arrested him.

9. Blair not only "did" Iraq, he also "did" Serbia-Kosovo.

Remember that he stood by that NATO crime by explaining that he had not had all the facts and had not read all the books but "I thought we had a good case."

That sort of argument is enough to get away with it!So I regret to tell you, Mr Ban-Ki moon, Mr. Bush, Mr. Putin and Mr Solana - that as one among "we the peoples of the United Nations" I want you to know that Tony Blair is not my envoy.

I wonder only about this: through which international - globalized - democratic procedures was this man offered this terribly important job?

And in competition with whom was his qualifications judged to be the best for all of us and for peace in the Middle East - apart from his charisma, of course.


Try Blair as war criminal


Former MP Jim Sillars has called for outgoing Prime Minister Tony Blair to be tried as a war criminal under Scots law for his actions over the Iraq War. Invoking precedents from the Nuremberg and Tokyo Tribunals held after WWII, Sillars has sent a 10,000 word submission to Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini calling on her to charge Blair under Scots law.Sillars said: "Blair can, in my opinion, be tried in a Scottish court; and the evidence of his conspiracy through deception, lies and misinformation, and his intention of committing the illegal act of regime change through aggressive war, is quite clear."Western nations, with Blair as Britain’s voice, are great preachers to the rest of the world about the worth of democracy and the rule of law. It stains democracy and mocks the law when a Prime Minister can, deliberately; set out to wage aggressive war knowing full well that he was committing a criminal act in international law."In his letter to Angiolini, Sillars identifies possible witnesses like Air Marshall Sir Jock Stirrup who he says may be in a position to support his claim that Blair engaged in an illegal conspiracy to invade Iraq.Sillars also says that his political background should not colour the nature of the complaint: "Although I have a political past, this complaint as set out in the enclosed document is based on legal principles and case law, and I shall be obliged if you will examine it in that light, and in that light alone. "You will find that the research is sound, and that the case against Tony Blair is a strong one. You, of course, will be able to dig wider and deeper than I can as an ordinary citizen, and I am sure that when you do you will reach the same conclusion as contained in the complaint."Sillars represented both Labour and the SNP at Westminster and is married to Independent MSP Margo MacDonald.A spokesperson for the Crown Office said: "We can confirm receipt of correspondence from Jim Sillars. This will be considered and a response will be issued in due course."



Note to MPs

Nothing has indicated more your profound disconnection with the UK population than the collective applause given to Tony Blair as he made his last exit from the Chamber today.

One applauds people who are honourable.

Mr Blair is not, and was not, and never could be regarded as honourable.

But this note does not concern him.

It is Parliament which today sank to its lowest level in the public estimation, as reminiscent of the stage-managed meetings of the Reichstag in the 1930's, or the applause given by MPs to Chamberlain when he announced he was going to meet Hitler at Munich.

We deplore the moral and intellectual decline of Parliament.

"Men are we, and must grieve when even the shade
Of that which once was great has pass'd away."

The Emperor (Blair) never did have any clothes. His pretence to statesmanship was always a sham, and the appointment of this war mongerer as a so called Peace Envoy is both ludicrous and obscene.



William Spring Director CANA UK


CANAUK was established @ Highgate Magistrates Court London in May 1999, when William Spring representing "Christians Against Nato Aggression" sought summonses against Tony Blair (and other NATO leaders) under the 1861 Offences Against the Person Act, alleging that he and they "conspired to cause explosions and to murder people in the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia "(FRY) and further "conspired to cause a projectile to descend upon a railway bridge in the FRY, and upon an engine on that said bridge."

Friday, February 23, 2007

CHRISTIAN ZIONISM canauk seminar
paper given by William J Spring Orange Street Congregational Church London 24/02/07
"Are you the one who was to come or should we expect someone else?" Luke 7 v 19

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Christopher Booker in The Neophiliacs says fantasy follows a number of stages and applies his analysis to UK post second world war history. There is the anticipation stage, then the dream stage, when the fantasy appears fulfilled, followed by the frustration stage, when things begin to go wrong, the nightmare stage, when things go very wrong, then there is the Death Wish stage, finally the wakening to reality.
"If carried far enough all fantasy evolves into an obsession with sex or violence .
Right wing fantasies have tended to be concerned more with the rightness of power and the wrongess of sex, while left wing fantasies have been concerned more with the wrongness of power and the rightness of sex. But in the end both right and left wing fantasies are only complementary symptoms of the same basic disturbance."
On this basis I want to examine the rise of Zionism, the establishment of the State of Israel and events since.
1967. I was at University @ the time of the Six Day War. I remember standing in front of the television when the news came from the BBC - I think the correspondent was Michael Elkins - that the Israelis had broken through.
In those days Israel was respected, for its apparent efficiency and military prowess.
A roar of approval went up in the Junior Common Room.
No one particularly liked the Arabs, they were rag heads, the British had generally shot at them or been shot by them, as in Aden. Israeli atrocities against the British at the end of the Mandate period were rather forgotten.
I came from an evangelical background. From quite young it was drilled into me by my brother who was a teenage convert to Pentecostalism, as I also became, that the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the return of the Jews to the Holy Land was the best thing since sliced bread.
One book he showed me was the Scourge of the Swastika by Lord Russell of Liverpool.
This necessarily evoked a sense of horror and sympathy for the Jews at what had happened to them during the Nazi period. All this was coupled with a lot of superstition. The bad weather in 1947 my mother told me was because of the Jews, because we tried to stop their ship.
The Jews we knew were very amiable. A Mr Katz wd often visit us and make us laugh and he wd always leave a Birmingham Jewish Recorder. a glossy magazine. We didn't know any Arabs, except one Egyptian who occasionally came to see my father. Then one day in 1956 he stopped coming.
The Pentecostals were a strong denomination in Birmingham.
There was a thing called The Pentecostal Jewish Mission. Its Director, Whitfield Foster told us how one day Jerusalem wd be united, that the Mosque on the sacred site of the old Temple wd be pulled down, then Muslims all over the world wd work themselves up into frenzy. All nations wd come against Israel to battle.
A new temple wd be built in Jerusalem in which Anti Christ wd sit, and the entire crisis resolved by the Lord's Triumphant Return , who on the way wd zap the enemies of Israel.
It was all so simple. When Jerusalem was taken in 1967, and the Ram's Horn s sounded, we really believed ,as I still believe, howbeit for different reasons, that we were and are living in apocalyptic days.
Jerusalem wd be trodden underfoot of all nations until the time of the Gentiles were fulfilled, said the Lord.
Now Jerusalem under Jewish control, the times of the Gentiles were over. It was indeed extraordinary how teachings developed by a small group of Victorian Bible moths have worked out on the world stage.
In 1967 in dingy student flats we perused The Scofield Reference Bibles amazed to discover how C I Scofield had already prophesied in his footnotes that the Jews wd return to the Holy Land, "in unbelief." We saw the secular state of Israel as in some way a precursor to the theocratic state yet to be established.
As well as Belsen and the Pentecostal influence, there was Muggeridge.
Everything the sage of Robertsbridge told us we his acolytes hung on to as if he were Tolstoy.
He had interviewed Ben Gurion, how Hebrew had become established as the language of Israel, surprising really when one considers before the state was established it was in many respects a dead language.
Muggeridge viewed the West as decadent but " our final betrayal will be of Israel."

In 1984 I was on the island of Cyprus. A book had been issued by a mainstream UK evangelical publisher. I forget the title, but it may have been "Children of Abraham." In it the author attacked the view described above. At that time I was working for an evangelical mission, the war was going on in Lebanon, and most of my colleagues were very pro Arab, I the odd man out, being pro Israeli.
I remember sitting up one night in Limassol writing a furious letter about ten pages long to the author of this dangerously unsound book.
I am not sure quite what caused me to change. I think it was the accumulated weight of evidence, Sabra and Shattila, etc but also I came to another view of scripture.
But before I examine that, I want to define terms. What do we mean by Zionism?

The short answer is that it is a belief that the Jews have a right to return to The Holy Land and establish themselves there in a state.
Zionism has a particular appeal to the English. We too regard ourselves as elect. I am now going to quote extensively from an article by Wager:
"The British have had a long-term fascination with the idea of Israel and its central role in biblical prophecy that dates back to their earliest recorded literature. The Epistle of Gildas (circa. 6th century AD) and the Venerable Bede's Ecclesiastical History (735 AD) both saw the British as 'the new Israel' God's chosen people destined to play a strategic role despite repeated invasions by their Nordic neighbours. In the British perception of being an elect, these battles were understood in the context of Israel's battles against the Philistines,Babylonians and others.
"A clear resurgence of such themes was evident in the 16th century, perhapsinfluenced by the Protestant Reformation and its emphasis on the Bible andvaried interpretations of its texts, now that Rome had lost its control overthe new clergy and theologians. One of the early expressions of fascinationwith the idea of Israel was the monograph Apocalypsis Apocalypseos, writtenby Anglican clergyman Thomas Brightman in 1585. Brightman urged the Britishpeople to support the return of the Jews to Palestine in order to hasten aseries of prophetic events that would culminate in the return of Jesus.
"In 1621, a prominent member of the British Parliament, attorney Henry Finch,advanced a similar perspective when he wrote: "The (Jews) shall repair totheir own country, shall inherit all of the land as before, shall live insafety, and shall continue in it forever." Finch argued that based on hisinterpretation of Genesis 12:3, God would bless those nations that supportedthe Jews' return. However, his idea did not find support from fellowlegislators."Wager says" While these writers cannot be classified as Christian Zionists, they mightbe viewed as proto-Christian Zionists, as they prepared the way for thosewho would follow. Gradually their views receded, but the turbulencefollowing the American and French revolutions provoked significant feelingsof insecurity across Europe ... During the decade that followed the year 1800, several Christian writers and preachers began to reflect on the events leading to Jesus' would-be imminent return, among them Louis Way, an Anglican clergyman.
Way taught that it wasnecessary for the Jews to return to Palestine as the first stage prior tothe Messianic Age, and he offered speculation as to the timing of Jesus'second coming. Within a short period of time, Way gained a wide readershipthrough his journal The Jewish Expositor and counted many clergymen, academics and the poet Samuel Taylor Coleridge as subscribers.
"A number of influential proto-Christian Zionists emerged in the generationthat followed Way. John Nelson Darby (1800-81), a renegade Irish Anglicanpriest, added several unique features to Way's teachings, including thedoctrine of "the Rapture," whereby "born again Christians" would beliterally removed from history and transferred to heaven prior to Jesus'return. Darby also placed a restored Israel at the centre of his theology,claiming that an actual Jewish state called Israel would become the centralinstrument for God to fulfil His plans during the last days of history.Only true ("born again") Christians would be removed from history prior tothe final battle of Armageddon through the Rapture ­ based on his literalinterpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:16."Darby's extensive writings and 60-year career as a missionary consolidated a form of fundamentalism called dispensationalism. Darby made six missionary journeys to North America, where he became a popular teacherand preacher. "
One of the resolutions adopted by the 1878 Niagara Conference gives clearevidence of the influence of Darby's dispensationalism.
"We believe that the world will not be converted during the presentdispensation, but is fast ripening for judgment, while there will be fearfulapostasy in the professing Christian body; and hence that the Lord Jesuswill come in person to introduce the millennial age, when Israel shall berestored to their own land, and the earth shall be full of the knowledge ofthe Lord; and that this personal and premillennial advent is the blessedhope set before us in the Gospel for which we should be constantlylooking."
Wager concludes "what is now known as Christian Zionism is the direct product of this unusual form of Protestant theology. Found primarily in North America and England,it is now exported around the globe via satellite television, the internet,best-selling novels such as the Left Behind series, films and a new breed ofmissionaries. "
Another article, by John Scott, goes into dispensationalism in great detail and examines some of the organisations and individuals associated with these ideas.
Representative of Christian Zionism is Hal Lindsey. His most famous book, The Late Great Planet Earth (published 1970) went through more than 108 printings with sales of more than 18 million copies in English, with between 18-20 million further copies in 54 foreign language editions. In each of his books Lindsey insists biblical prophecy is being fulfilled and signals the imminent destruction of the world.
Lindsey's last but one book The Final Battle, includes this statement on its cover:"Never before, in one book, has there been such a complete and detailed lookat the events leading up to 'The Battle of Armageddon.' ""
Lindsey claims the world is degenerating and that the forces of evilmanifest in godless Communism and militant Islam are the real enemies ofIsrael. He describes in detail the events leading to the great battle atMegiddo between the massive Russian, Chinese and African armies that willattempt but fail to destroy Israel and offers illustrated plans showingfuture military movements of armies and naval convoys leading up to thebattle of Armageddon. "These will merely hasten the return of JesusChrist as King of the Jews who will rule over the nations from the rebuiltJewish temple in Jerusalem....Obstacle or no obstacle, it is certain that the Temple will be rebuilt. Prophecy demands it...With the Jewish nation reborn in the land ofPalestine, ancient Jerusalem once again under total Jewish control for thefirst time in 2600 years, and talk of rebuilding the great Temple, the mostimportant sign of Jesus Christ's soon coming is before us... It is like thekey piece of a jigsaw puzzle being found... For all those who trust in JesusChrist, it is a time of electrifying excitement."
Hal Lindsey stands for a whole tribe of barmy Americans, mostly Texans. What Bush is to politics Lindsey is to theology. Each of his prophecies tend to be revised as they don't materialise, but one constant is Israel.
Extrapolating the futuristic nonsense, from a theological angle, can any of this be justified?
What is appalling is how Christian Zionism has taken over mainstream evangelicalism in America and provides the main constituency for GW Bush ( together with the pro life movement, which I will not go into at this point). In my view in their support for Gerge W Bush’s foreign policy they are mistaken and their mistake is very simple.
Christian Zionists frequently refer to the Abrahamic Covenant.
To quote Genesis: "On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said " to your descendants will I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates .... this is my covenant with you, you will the father of many nations . No longer will you be called Abram, your name will be Abraham ...I will make you very fruitful and I will make nations of you and kings will come from you...The whole land of Canaan ... I will give you as an everlasting possession to you and to your descendants after you and I will be their God."
It is because of this covenant that US Christian Zionists say Israel is entitled to hegemony over the entire Middle East.
But objections the are:
1. Abraham had 2 sons Isaac and Ishmael.
Ishmael is regarded as the father of the Arabs, as Isaac was the father of Jacob whose name was changed to Israel. No one descendant of this family was given a monopoly status in this vast region!
2. In any case the covenant made with Abraham was conditional.
"You must keep my covenant for, you and your descendants after you, for the generations to come."
The Bible recounts many prophetic denunciations of Israel for having the broken the covenant originally made with Abraham and later ratified at Mount Sinai.
Indeed Moses broke the tablets of the law as he came down the mountain, indicating Israel was already in apostasy!
Because of this, and as the prophets had warned, disaster came in the form of the Babylonian and Assyrian Captivities. Ten of the tribes of Israel never returned and were lost entirely to history.
Only the two tribes from the southern of kingdom of Judah went back to Palestine to rebuild the Temple when their captivity was over.
3. The prophets had warned the Jews their revived state had no future. God did not wish to recognise them any more nor their national institutions. " I hate I despise your religious feasts, I cannot stand your assemblies...." Amos 5 v 21
Yahweh would only work through a remnant, the minority of the people faithful to Him.
Christ stood in this prophetic tradition when he said "I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit." Mat 21 v 43
4. With the inclusion of the Gentiles in the previously Jewish church a new ecclesiastical polity developed.
St Paul wrote to the Galatians assuring them they were the true descendants of Abraham . To quote from an 1805 commentary by Thomas Scott on Galatians 3 v 29 " if the Galatians did indeed belong to Christ by faith and the participation of his Spirit they were become the spiritual seed of Abraham and heirs of all the blessings covenanted to him..." (my underlining)

What we can conclude from this is that the Israeli state as currently constituted can defend its claim to Palestine on a number of grounds, but what it cannot do is claim any Biblical warrant for its existence and the continuing occupation of Palestinian land.
Dispensationalists argue the promises of God to the Jewish people are only suspended during the Church age and then will once again apply to Israel, but there is nothing in scripture to indicate there is such a thing as suspension of God's promises. God's promises are not revocable, so argues Paul in Romans 11 v 29.
This hysterical doctrinal ignorance of the US evangelicals means that they, the US evangelicals, are in fact accelerating and amplifying the possibility of nuclear war.
At the moment there is a real risk that their frightful eschatology will be realised.
I can already see the television broadcast: "My fellow Americans, our strikes on Iran are necessary to prevent that state from acquiring a nuclear weapon and threatening Israel..."
And @ that mantra, defending Israel, the US evangelicals will jump to attention.
This is the end time but not for the reasons put forward by JN Darby.
Not only are the US evangelicals pushing for nuclear war, the efforts of their protege George W Bush have effectively obliterated the Church as a viable institution in the Middle East.
By invading Iraq many Muslims see the so called Christian West as launching a new crusade.
Hundreds of thousand of Christians who have lived in the Middle East for hundreds of years are at risk because of US and UK foreign policy, which makes the position of Stephen Pound MP indefensible.
He has indicated great sympathy for the position of Iraqi Christians, and initiated a debate in Westminster Hall on their plight. Yet he voted for the War, and anyone who knows the Middle East could have told him the invasion of Iraq wd make the position of Christians there far worse.
5. So if we are to defend the right of Israel to exist we have to do so without reference to any spurious Biblical appeal.
I am out of the argument. The only people who can decide whether Jews have the right to be in the Holy Land within a state of their own and within the borders currently drawn are the Jews and the Arabs.
If the Jews think they can survive in their state, as currently constituted, fine. But if I were a Jew I wd probably be thinking packing my bags to go to Patagonia..
I believe every group of people have a right to national homeland , if they can find one.
The political argument after WW 2 for allowing the establishment of a Jewish state was overwhelming. But it did not take account of the Arabs.
To go back to the Victorians, Lord Shaftesbury, a conservative evangelical Christian intimately linked to the UK Establishment in 1839 published an essay entitled "The State and Restoration of the Jews." He argued: "The Jews must be encouraged to return (to Palestine) in yet greater numbers and become once more the husbandman of Judea and Galilee."
Writing 57 years before Zionist thinkers Max Nordau, Israel Zangwill and Theodor Herzl popularised the phrase, Shaftesbury called the Jews "a people with no country for a country with no people." a saying curiously similar to that of the early Zionists, who described Palestine as "a land of no people for a people with no land."
Gradually, Shaftesbury's views gained acceptance among British journalists, clergy and politicians. There was in the end a recognition that it was not an entirely empty land but the indigenous didn't count.
"In Palestine we do not propose even to go through the form of consulting the wishes of the present inhabitants of the country.The four great powers are committed to Zionism, and Zionism, be it right or wrong, good or bad, is rooted in age-long traditions, in present needs, in future hopes, of far profounder import than the desires and prejudices of 700,000 Arabs who now inhabit that ancient land." Balfour speech 1919
I insert here an account from a Mr Rix published in 1907:
"In due time we reached the cross-track from Safed by which we had struck our present route when making our northward journey. After this our road was new to us. The new elements were, however, not those of romance, but those of strict and non-picturesque utility. For here we passed through one of the principal Jewish farm colonies subsidised by rich European Jews ; and the place looks like what it is, the reverse of a natural growth - a bit of Europe plumped down into incongruous surroundings.
Here were European roads and carts, European drivers, dressed in semi-European garments, and beyond all, worst of all, here was European barbed wire. But the mile-long avenue of poplar and eucalyptus, with hedges of mimosa, gave a very grateful shade, for the heat was fierce to-day; and water from a tap, which we could drink without fear of typhoid, was a veritable luxury, albeit the farmyard where we found it was singularly unbiblical.
" Twenty years ago or more," says a recent American writer, " Baron Edmond Rothschild of Paris, who, as a practical man, does not thoroughly sympathise with the Zionist movement, undertook at his own expense to try an extensive experiment to demonstrate the problem. He purchased large tracts of land in different parts of Palestine, and settled upon them some twenty or more colonies, with about ten thousand Jews from Roumania, Poland and other parts of Europe. The experiment has cost him at least ten million dollars, and he admits that it is a failure. He has abandoned this vast scheme of philanthropy, transferred all of the land and other property to the Jewish Colonisation Society of London and has given it ten million dollars more to carry on the work."
Mr Rix had earlier spoken to numerous Jews who had lived in Palestine for generations, indeed some since before AD 70. These were the indigenous Jews who lived not necessarily happily but @ least not in a state of perpetual war with their Muslim or Druze neighbours.
From Mr Rix's observations I suggest we can perceive the true nature of Zionism, which is that it was an Anglo-American land grab, another experiment in colonisation, at a time when we had already divided up large tracts of the globe. This particular land grab applied the ethnicity and religion of the Jews as cover in order to legitimise it, but paradoxically made the life of the Jews who had lived in Palestine for centuries before the Zionists arrived more precarious.
I feel duped, by this Christian Zionist propaganda to which I was exposed as a child via my brother.
I repent for having supported for so long this continuing atrocity in the heart of the Middle East.
This does not mean to say I want to see the Middle East Islamified. I lived in a fanatical Muslim state for eight years. One of the few things I agree with the neo cons on is my abhorrence of Islamo-Fascism.
But my tactic for dealing with it would be very different.
When you have guys already on the edge do not push them over it, as we have now done by our invasion of Iraq, our plans to attack Iran, our general lack of even handedness, UK support for the siege of Gaza, and for the Israeli attack last year on Lebanon, and Ethiopia's recent invasion of Somalia.
The war on Afghanistan was a cosmetic war served up to convince the US public that George Bush was hitting back over 9/11. But the real culprits, the villains of 9/11 are all sitting in posh villas in Riyadh, protected by the US and UK who train the Saudi security forces.
If they were going to invade anywhere as a reprisal for 9/11 why didn't they take over Saudi? Answer: too many people in Texas wd lose money.
So what shd be our view be as Christians and as UK citizens?
1. We do not want to see this eternal dispute between Arab and Jew wreck our planet.
2. We do not want our national interest tied to the national interest of Israel, although by giving support to Israel in its bellicose polices we are actually acting against Israel's interest, which surely must be to reach out to the Arabs and to face facts about the Nightmare Stage in their fantasy, which is rapidly turning into the Death Wish stage.
In my view Israel can no longer justify its existence.
It is a failed state.
It cannot provide security to its citizens nor justice in the occupied people territories. The people of the Law have incorporated the Law in drones which fly above Palestinian villages arbitrarily zapping anyone on a motor bike.
The prophets who were the first people to define the concept of a war crime wd have something to say abt cluster bombs and abt Israeli techniques of interrogation.
I close with two scenarios to indicate the problem.
I am English. Say in 50 years time this country becomes Muslim and the English are ethnically cleansed out of our land, as indeed the Serbs have been ethnically cleansed by NATO out of their oldest province, Kosovo.
My descendants then go to Canada. In two thousand years time they suddenly get it into their heads to go back to England, expel the Pakistanis and set up an English state once again. Wd this be permissible?
But if I were to accept that the title deeds to a land remain, whatever the lapse of time, I wd also have to confront an alternative scenario: how would I feel if tomorrow Welshmen in large numbers arrived in London and systematically began to expel the English from Hampstead and Haringey etc, appealing for their authority to an antique text of Merlin the Wizard?
This is a paradox.
I cannot solve it. All I can say is Arabs and Jews have to solve this one, and it doesn't appear to me that the Jewish state can survive unless it abandons the two state philosophy.

You cannot expect the Arabs to be shunted off into bantustans.

The best thing might be to start all over again. Awake to reality.
Establish one state in the area of Palestine, and call it whatever you like.

ends


Numerous extracts from an article which appeared in THE DAILY STAR 10/09/03 by
Donald Wagner professor of religion and Middle Eastern studies at North Park University in Chicago and executive director of the Center for Middle Eastern StudiesJohn Scott article obtained via Information Clearing House on web. Provenance and date of 1st issue I am researching.
Rix H, p 112 Tent and Testament, Williams and Norgate, London, 1907 Rix quotes from "Today in Syria and Palestine" WE Curtis p 327 Chicago 1904